Thursday 25 March 2010

Romans Chp 8 Vs 4 to 8 : 'The Spirit Filled Mind: Thinking Gods Thoughts'

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We have solid ground and a firm foundation for cliaming that down through the generations something / someone got into the minds of men

Men are fascinated with this idea : communication from another dimension

Popular culture and entertainment is full of it: Star Wars, Star Trek, V, ET, Alien, Dr Who.

The occult offers it: Ghost, Poltergeist, Exorcist, Wiji Boards, Sceances

The Bible clearly presents consistent communication from God to man over many generations.

God spoke in the past:

God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets(Heb 1:1)

God spoke in Christ:

Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;” (Heb 1:2)

God speaks in the present:

If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.”(1Pe 4:11)

This revelation from God is not rejected because it lacks robost evidence: 66 books, 40 authors, 2000 years, 1 consistent message, progressive revelation, 100's of fulfilled prophecies, 1 set of moral values.

These men had come into contact with 1 consistent message concerning, for them, future events which has been consistently fulfilled, despite opposition to the contray and the passing of their own live.

Why then is suh a contact / revelation not more popular than it is?

It is not what we want to hear!

It is not the quality / robustness / character of the revelation it is the content of the revelation men do not like!

As early as the book of Job: “Therefore they say unto God, Depart from us; for we desire not the knowledge of thy ways.” (Job 21:14)

Johns Gospel: “And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.” (Joh 3:19)

Isaiah: “He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.” (Isa 53:3)

The evidence has stood perhaps the greatest test of all: time!

2000 years of scepticism, cynicism, enlightenment, higher criticism, archaeology, science, atheism, existentialism!

Everything that could be thrown at the bible has been thrown at the Bible!

The revelation from God is of a profoundly different moral and spiritual character to myself.

For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.” (Rom 8:5)

Human beings are willing to accept revelation from another dimension / world / a god after their own imagination who is the same or similar to them

Christ and His Spirit (8:9) is profoundly different, He is of a different character.

Down through the generation we have had men who live according to the “Spirit” (8:5)

Men who live according to s different set of values / a higher set of values.

  • Abraham: willing to take his son Isaac and put him on the altar for God!

  • Noah: alone in an immoral and godless world, living according to a different set of values

  • Joseph: a non compromising set of sexual ethics and a fear of God even when compromise might have been the easy option!

  • David: who refused to raise a hand against the man who sought his life because he was the Lords anointed!

  • Daniel: cherished his communion with God above even his own life and safety, given the choice between the prayer meeting and the lions den: give me the lions den!

  • Shadrach, Meshach and Abednigo – who put worshipping the one true and living God beyond even their own safety rather than commit the sin of idolatry!

  1. The Reality (character) of the Spirit filled mind

  2. The Reason for the Spirit filled mind

  3. The Result of the Spirit filled mind

  1. The Reality (character) of the Spirit filled mind

To have a mind filled by the Spirit of God

To have a life in touch with the Spirit of God brings me into touch with God / Christ (v9)

This is firstly a moral experience, it changes me.

How can I say this?

Notice verse 5 begins with “for

Verse 5 gives the reason therefore for verse 4

The righteousness of Gods law is fulfilled in my life because: the reality of Gods Spirit is filling my mind!

If all men do what they do; sin, because of what they are; sinners, then what causes a man to be different from the rest?

A man like: Abraham, Noah, Joseph, David, Daniel, Shadrach, Meshech and Abednigo?

We need an explanation for the unusual / the abnormal.

That there is / can be known in the life of men a passion for God and His holiness beyond even the concerns for self and the pursuit of the flesh needs explaining (v5).

  1. The Reason for the Spirit filled mind

after the Spirit” (8:5)

There are 2 possibilities for me:

  1. After the Spirit (v5) marked by the righteous walk (v4) and indwelt by Christ (v10)

  2. After the flesh (v5), minding the things of the flesh (v5), an enemy of God (v7)

The proof of genuine Christianity / salvation is not a past event but rather a present experience!

The sacrifice of Calvary has in view not only my salvation but also my sanctification

There are not 2 kinds of Christians in this section: Spirit filled and carnal but rather 2 kinds of people: believer and unbeliever

Consider verse 3:

  1. likeness of sinful flesh”: incarnation – Who He is

  2. for sin” - propitiation / expiation – What He did

  3. condemned sin in the flesh” - sanctification – Why He did it

The sacrifice of Calvary brought an end to the inevitability of failure, to the link so far unbroken between being human and sinning!

Almost always it is the person who is condemned in scripture, but here it is “sin” who is condemned!

It is sin that is in the dock

It is sin that is dealt with

It is sin that is brought to account

It is sin that is brought an end to.

I live because of Christ. I live for Christ.

Not only salvation but also sanctification.

Not only called to heaven but called to holiness.

  1. The Result of the Spirit filled mind (8:6)

The Spirit filled mind is marked by:

  1. Life

  2. Peace

The present enjoyment of the life of God (8:2)

Peace (8:6):

I know my mind is on the right lines if it is marked by peace.

In Christ:

I have Peace with God (Rom5:1)

I enjoy the Peace of God (Phil 4:7)

A I draw close to Christ I come to the one who is my Peace (Eph2:14)

If I draw close to the one who is “my peace” I would expect to enjoy His Peace!

The mind that enjoys peace is a Spirit filled mind which has:

  1. Set spiritual priorities (Matt 6:24ff)

  2. Knows the Presence of Christ (Jo14)

  3. Marked by Prayer (Phil4)

  4. Takes Practical measures to Preserve Peace (Col 3)

A mind that enjoys peace is a Spirit filled mind which has:

  1. Set spiritual priorities (Matt 6:24ff)

What does Matt chp 6 have to do with peace?

take no anxious thought for...” (Matt6:25)

Matthew 6 deals with the setting of priorities to enjoy spiritual peace with God

This is practical and important!

We inevitably set such priorities:

Priority List

Probable List

Possible List

Things I will do

Things I intend to do

Things I have no real intention of doing!

Eat

Messages to do

Shelf to put up

Work

People to contact

Remote control car to fix

Personal care

If we fail to set such priorities we become very anxious and stressed

We can cope with about 5 or 6 things we need to do, that remain undone before we get stressed

If we fail to set priorities everything quickly becomes a priority

We don't do everything and we can't do everything

Important things then get pushed to the side

We become overwhelmed, anxious and upset!

Notice which list Christ instructs us to put Spiritual matters into: priority list? Prominent/ probable list? Possible list?

v25 – There is eating – priority list

v25 – There is personal care – priority list

v26 – There is work – priority list

So where are spiritual matters? Consider v33

Spiritual matters are over all of that, in a list of their own: pre-eminent list!

In what list is our spiritual life?

If spiritual matters are given equal importance with eating, sleeping, personal care, work they are in the priority list!

If spiritual matters get pushed to the side for other things, they are only in our probable list.

If spiritual matters are left frequently unaddressed and neglected they may only be in our possible list!

Illust: Hudson Taylor and the ½ crown and gold sovereign – spiritual matters were in his pre-eminent list!

  1. Knows the Presence of Christ (Jo14:27)

The peace of knowing His presence in communion and communication, by prayer and in His word!

  1. Marked by Prayer (Phil4:6-7)

with thanksgiving” - allows us to address our deepest anxieties by looking back and reflecting on “all the way the Lord thy God has led thee these 40 years in the wilderness...”

  1. Takes Practical measures to Preserve Peace (Col 3:12-15)

  • Church relationships “in one body” (Col 3:15)

  • Marriage (Col 3:18-19)

  • Family (Col 3:20-21)

  • Work (Col 3:22ff)

  • Personal Relationships (Col 3:12-15)

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Romans Chp 8 Vs 1 to 17 : 'Suffering, The Spirit and the Sovereignty of God'

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The problem of suffering is amongst the most difficult and perplexing of all problems in life.

There are those who on the basis of suffering would confidently affirm that there is no God.

If there is a God He ought to be able, because He is all powerful and willing, because He is good to prevent suffering, since there is suffering, either God is not able to prevent it and so is not all powerful, is not willing to prevent it and so is not good or simply He does not exist.

Where is the problem in that argument?

The problem / the flaw lies in the assumptions stated and unstated:


  1. That suffering can always, be categorised as bad, evil, futile and unproductive and as such is invariably undesirable. Is that true? Illust: Man with BCC on chest, you have a skin cancer, I can cut it out, painful jag, stitches, scar, what did he say? How soon can you do it?

  2. God has a moral obligation to order the universe, natural laws, circumstances of life, in such a way as to preserve man in a state of maximum peace and pleasure irrespective of mans behaviour or other factors in that universe. In other words there is a central assumption that the plans and purposes of God and the path of time and history and the processes of the universe revolve around man. They don't, they revolve around Christ (Eph1:10; 3:11). I am not saying that my suffering doesn't matter to God – it does, but I am saying that there is a bigger picture, of which my suffering is a part and that me and my suffering is not the conclusion of the matter.

  3. That in the absence of all suffering, which we are suggesting God has a moral obligation to provide for His creatures, and in an atmosphere of optimal peace and pleasure man would attain to the greatest good and would achieve his highest goals. Is this true? Consider Roms chp1; consider the fall of the Roman Empire; consider Belshazzers feast; a man who has it all, all the world can give, a throne, a palace, security, wealth, an empire made for him by his father Nebuchadnezzar, plenty to eat and drink, no one giving him any snash:




Dan 5:1 Belshazzar the king made a great feast to a thousand of his lords, and drank wine before the thousand.” - Gluttony and drunkenness


Dan 5:2 Belshazzar, whiles he tasted the wine, commanded to bring the golden and silver vessels which his father Nebuchadnezzar had taken out of the temple which was in Jerusalem; that the king, and his princes, his wives, and his concubines, might drink therein.” - Descration of holy vessels and sexual immorality, basically prostitution.

Dan 5:3 Then they brought the golden vessels that were taken out of the temple of the house of God which was at Jerusalem; and the king, and his princes, his wives, and his concubines, drank in them.”

Dan 5:4 They drank wine, and praised the gods of gold, and of silver, of brass, of iron, of wood, and of stone.” - Idolatry and materialism


You say, well that was just a one of?

Consider the kingdom of Israel under David and then under Solomon?

The Kingdom under David: he had his trials:


  1. 2 sons murdered

  2. A son dead in child hood

  3. Persecuted by Saul

  4. Running as an outlaw

  5. Warring with the Philistines and Amalek

Yet Davids kingdom was Israel at its hay day.

The Kingdom under Solomon; a kingdom of peace and tranquillity, yet degenerating into idolatry and polygamy and immorality.

So if in the absence of problems and suffering man does not achieve his greatest good and highest goals, would it not be the case that if God did provide man with a an environment of perfect peace and pleasure, God in fact would be promoting, aiding and abetting, He would be a willing accomplice to mans sin?

A perfect environment of peace and pleasure can only be provided for a perfect man otherwise we have a sinner in Eden and that is a disaster which God has guarded against from the very beginning.



The argument then that God is morally obliged to maintain His universe in a state which is maximally conducive with mans greatest comfort and ease is inherently faulty therefore.


What has suffering to do with Romans 8?

Notice the setting / the context of Roms 8; the inner struggle with sin (chp6) and the flesh (chp7) and the pressure of outer suffering (chp 8).

Roms 8 is set in the environment of pressure without and pressure within.

'Pressure': 'thlipsis' : tribulation (8:35; 5:3)

Roms 8 is in the vice grip of inner turmoil and outer tribulation!

What does that kind of environment produce?

Likeness to Christ (8:29)!

Relationship and Resemblance!

Anecdotally I haven't met a spiritual Christian who has had an easy life!

There is no book in the Bible so full of inner turmoil and outer tribulation as the book of Job!

At the heart of that book, describing Jobs subjective experience of his suffering lie chps 16 + 19 – a total of 51 verses.

About ½ of those 51 verses are also found in Ps22, 69, Is 50,53 and Lam3!

What is God doing in that crucible of affliction in the life of Job?

He is making Job just like Christ!

Job is entering into the mind of Christ (1Peter 4:1,2)

The bottom line in Roms 8:1-17 is that God imparts His Spirit to man for a purpose, in order to bring man into:


  1. Relationship with God

  2. Resemblance to Christ


And these ends are achieved in an environment of suffering!

For the Spirit to blossom, the flesh must die!

The work of the Spirit of God affects man in his:


  1. Walk (8:1-4)

  2. Mind (8:5-8)

  3. Body (8:9-13)

  4. Spirit (8:14-17)



As Gods Spirit is active in man we will discern:


  1. Law of the Spirit (8:2)

  2. Longing of the Spirit (8:5-8)

  3. Life of the Spirit (8:11,13)

  4. Leading of the Spirit (8:14)

  5. Language of the Spirit (8:15)



  1. Walk (8:1-4)


What is the effect of the Spirit upon my walk?

I say that this is a Spirit conquered walk, marked by:

righteousness (v4)

Righteousness fulfilled by:

  1. Compulsion from within (8:2): “the law of the Spirit of life” (7:21,23)

and not by:

  1. Conformity without (8:3)

The Spirit conquered and controlled walk is not a walk brought into conformity to a set of rules, regulations, traditions, formalities or patterns of behaviour, it is rather the working out of the all consuming passion for Divine life brought about by the possession of my person by God Himself.

It is not so much that I try to live a righteous life, although the will is clearly involved, but rather I have to, I am compelled to live a righteous life, or I have a thoroughly miserable existence!

Conformity to a set of rules can paradoxically result in less rather than more spirituality!

Rules can:

  1. Replace the Spirit – well I've got my rules, follow them and I will be ok!

  2. Resist the Spirit – human nature likes rules, you can work around the rules! Illust: Margos flat mate, didn't read Sunday papers but kept them till the Monday!

  3. Restrict the Spirit – rules are always inadequate and will never allow us to break new ground for God! New people, new places, new problems – the old rules sometimes can't cope! Gods Spirit can! Columbus didn't discover America by following the map! There wasn't one!

Christopher Columbus made the European discovery of South America over 500 years ago which was to become predominately Catholic. He recorded how he accomplished this extraordinary voyage to the New World in his "Book of Prophecies":

"...It was the Lord who put into my mind — I could feel His hand upon me — the fact that it would be possible to sail from here to the Indies-All who heard of my project rejected it with laughter, ridiculing me... There is no question that the inspiration was from the Holy Spirit, because he comforted me with rays of marvellous illumination from the Holy Scriptures... For the execution of the journey to the Indies I did not make use of intelligence, mathematics, or maps. It is simply the fulfilment of what Isaiah had prophesied... No one should fear to undertake any task in the name of our Saviour, if it is just and if the intention is purely for His Holy service... the fact that the Gospel must still be preached to so many lands in such a short time — this is what convinces me".


the law of the Spirit of life


What was it that:


  1. Compelled creation to completion? Gen1:2 – The Spirit of God; Gen 2:7 – the breath of God blowing into the nostrils of Adam.

  2. How did Enoch's walk with God end? It didn't A walk with God is a life giving, a life preserving, a life perpetuating experience. Walk with God and you live (Gen 5:24). “By faith Enoch was translated that he should not se death...” (Heb11:5)

  3. How was it that God dealt with Noah and his family in the days when He had decided that His Spirit would not always “strive with man” (Gen6:3)? God covenanted “to keep them alive with thee” (Gen6:19).

  4. What about Gods dealings with Abraham and Isaac in Gen 22? Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure.”(Heb 11:19).

  5. How did God move in the days of Joseph and his brothers? “To save much people alive” (Gen50:20)

  6. How did God work with His people in the days of Moses in Egypt?

  7. How did God work in the days of Jonah? (Jonah 4:11)

  8. What about Daniel in the lions den? “O King live forever” (Dan6:21)

  9. The crowning Glory to Gods Spirit of Life: the resurrection of Christ!

To be linked with God and His Spirit is a life giving event, a life preserving experience!

Gods Spirit is the Spirit of Life!

In many of these occasions when the “law of the Spirit of life” moves we can also discern His operation against the background failure of the “law of sin and death”:


  1. Noah – breaks free, lifted above a world condemned in sin

  2. Egypt – God judges and destroys Egypt and its false gods

  3. Jonah – 3 days and nights in the belly of the whale because of his sin and disobedience.



To be motivated by the “law of the Spirit of life” is to be motivated and moved by an all consuming passion for the Glory of God in my life beyond any other legitimate interest!

What was it that motivated:


  1. Shadrach, Meshach and Abednigo to choose the furnace rather than compromise?

  2. Daniel to chose being at the prayer meeting even if it meant facing the lions in the den?

  3. Elijah to risk his life and face the false priests of Baal on Mt Carmel?

  4. Elisha to leave his farm, his field and his family behind and follow Gods call?


This law of the Spirit of Life motivates men beyond personal safety, personal convenience, fatigue, tiredness, embarrassment and business!

This is an all consuming passion for the life of God above and beyond all things!

Why bother fulfilling righteousness in me?

Never be content with ½ answers from preachers!

Because righteousness overcomes a barrier:

For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.” (Rom 8:6-7)

The flesh pursuing sin brings separation and enmity with God

The Spirit producing righteousness brings relationship with God

How does Christ condemning “sin in the flesh” (8:3) result in the fulfilment of Gods righteousness in me (8:4)? Because we have His Spirit in us (8:4,9-11).

An exceptional movement of the Spirit of God is invariably marked by an exceptional righteousness:


  1. Isaiah 6:5

  2. Ex 20: Moses on the Mount

  3. Job 42:6 – God speaks: “I repent in dust and ashes”

  4. Zech 3: Joshua the High Priest

  5. Matt 5: The Sermon on the Mount

  6. Acts 5: Ananias and Saphira



























  1. Mind (8:5-8)


What is the effect of the Spirit of God upon the mind?

Peace

Peace between which parties? Me and God (v7)

The carnal mind – enmity with God

The spiritual mind – peace with God.

Peace is the product of a restored relationship with God.































  1. Body (8:9-13)


What is the effect upon the Spirit conquered body?

Life (8:10,11)

Whose life? The life of Christ (8:9,10)

The body is dead because of sin” (v10) – seems to be alive? Is this:


  1. An honest mistake? Hard to miss!

  2. Ultimately the body will die? True but not the meaning here:

  1. The present tense, in contrast to v11 where future events are accorded a future tense.

  2. dead” is an adjective describing this body, this body is a “dead body


  1. The body is dead presently because of sin. Sin originally inherited from Adam. That is Adam not simply as federal head which does not explain why I die when he sins, nor simply Adam as a representative man which would hardly satisfy the righteousness of God as defined in Ezek 18. Be careful about linking Adams federal headship and representative character with the universal condemnation of all men! Christ is of course the Head of a new creation (Col1) and He is also the representative man (Rom8:3) but that does not result in universal salvation to all men! The important point in Roms 5 is our connection with Adam and Christ! Who and what they are remains unaltered, the issue is am I connected to them? Do I have a relationship with Christ as I did with Adam? Adam as the first and only directly created man corrupted by sin and thus actually passing on the effects of and a fallen human nature to all mankind (Rom5:12). In other words the corruption from Adam flows to me not by any philosophical argument, nor by a legal fiction as some suggest but as a result of my relationship with Adam, which is the reason for the digression into Adam in Rom 5:12ff; as a means of explaining how I can receive righteousness from Christ (5:11). If I can receive sin and death from Adam by relationship, then I can receive righteousness and life from Christ by relationship, corrupted too by my sin, unfit for Gods presence and awaiting final redemption and transformation. This is also biologically true: Hayflick limit and apoptosis.



  1. Spirit (8:14-17)


What is the effect upon the Spirit conquered Spirit?

Prayer (8:15)

A cry that arises out of crises:


  1. Samson (Judges 16:28) – the only time “pray” is used in the life of Samson.

  2. David (Ps 22:1-2; Ps51; Ps 42:9)

  3. Elijah (1Kings 19:4)


And call upon me in the day of trouble: I will deliver thee, and thou shalt glorify me.” (Psa 50:15)


The cry out of crises that brings confidence in our God

He hears an answers in our crises!





















Romans Chp 8 Vs 1 to 4: 'The Law of the Spirit of Life'

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Sometimes quote from learned and helpful commentaries

AA Milne: Winnie the Pooh, drifts up into the sky holding onto some ballons, leads to a discussion about the law of gravity and the conclusion that Winnie the Pooh has broken the law of gravity and is nothing but a common criminal!

The joke rests on the child like confusion of the two meanings of law:

  1. A set of rules we ought to keep

  2. An unbreakable / inviolable governing principle

God has ordered His universe in such a way that the universe runs according to a set of laws, unbreakable governing principles: the law of gravity, laws of thermodynamics, law of increasing entropy, the law of conservation of mass and energy and laws of electromagnetism.

Gods universe is to a large extend ordered and predictable.

Albert Einstein:

Our lives too on an individual level are ordered according to a set of inviolable laws:

And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:” (Heb 9:27)

It is this sense of law that we find the word used in verse 2: “the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus.”

As we go through our Bible we see this law operative and in action.

Gods Spirit is by His very nature and essence a “Life Giving Spirit”

  1. Come into contact with the Spirit of God for the first time in Genesis 1: “And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.” With knowledge of the “law of the Spirit of Life” we could anticipate what is about to happen! Here over the murky lifeless depths of a formless world, the Spirit of God moves with explosive results! In 6 glorious days of creatorial power there are changes which; promote life, permit life and finally produce life!

  1. In Genesis chp 6, the Spirit of God strives with man (6:3) ultimately to mans downfall and condemnation and destruction! Judgment is pronounced by a righteous God and yet His Spirit operates by “the law of the Spirit of Life.” Could we anticipate what will happen? God not only pronounces judgement but procures a means of salvation to the preservation of life (6:17-20). Even as the storm clouds gather and the first drops fall, the canvas is set for the first rays of a rainbow through the rain!

'I trace the rainbow through the rain,

And feel the promise is not vain

That morn shall tearless be.'

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  1. As God superintends the history of Jacobs sons and the life of Joseph, the shadow of death is cast over that life of Joseph on more than one occasion: Gen 37:18,20 – His brothers conspiracy and schemes to murder, 37:24 – the depth and darkness of the pit, 37:28 – Slavery, 39:7 – the envy and evil intent of Potiphars wife, 39:20 – prison, any one of these events ought to have been enough to finish off Joseph, and yet as Joseph comes to sum up the dealings of God over his life: “But as for you, ye thought evil against me; but God meant it unto good, to bring to pass, as it is this day, to save much people alive.”(Gen 50:20)

  1. Exodus sees God pouring out His judgement on Egypt in 10 catastrophic plaques and yet even under the shadow of the angel of death a path is being cleared to bring out a people for Himself untouched by the power of death (Ex 11:7; 12:23,30-31)

  2. Moses the man of God, prophet, giver of the law. He falls with his temper and strikes the rock twice and he will die on Mount Nebo. Yet his vision will extend to the “city of palm trees” and therein lies a tale, so often linkes with an entrance to eternal rest! Will we leave Moses dead on Nebo? Matt 17:3! “The law of the Spirit of life!”

  1. Job: commences with 7 sons and 3 daughters, 7 000 sheep, 3 000 camels, 500 yoke of oxen, 500 she asses (Job1:3) and all is lost. What of the “law of the Spirit of life” here? Job finishes with 14 000 sheep, 6 000 camels, 1 000 yoke of oxen, 1 000 she asses and restored sons and daughters (Job 42:12,13)!

  2. The son of the Shunammite women (2 Kings 4): the boy dies, but you can't go to the man of God her husband will tell her! Why not? It's against the rules “it is neither new moon nor Sabbath” (2 Kings 4:23) – but there is a greater and infinitely more glorious law and purpose, it is the “law of the Spirit of life” and raised he will be!

  1. There is of course no where more glorious that the “law of the Spirit of life” is to be seen than operative in the person of Christ! Psalm 16:10-11; Rom 1:4.

You could say there is a fatal flaw in your argument, what about:

  • the old world that perished (Gen 6)

  • Egypts sons that died (Ex 12)

This “Law of the Spirit of life” is only operative “in Christ Jesus

There is no life out with Him!

In Rom 8:1-4 His Spirit is operative in me!

His Spirit will always draw me, guide me away from that which promotes death namely sin and towards that which brings me to life, that is “righteousness” (8:3-4).

When Christ came in a body (8:3) He established and completed:

  1. A work “for sin” (8:3) – Salvation, ie propitiation and expiation, some translate the phrase here as “sin offering

  2. A work for sanctification “condemned sin in the flesh.”

Christ brought an end to the inevitability of being 'only human'!

That apparent law that because I am human I must sin.

Here is one who is truly human and did not sin!

He broke the mold!

What does that have to do with me?

If I am saved, I have His Spirit in me, the Spirit of one who cannot sin and who does not sin and who operates according to “the Law of the Spirit of life.”

This “the Law of the Spirit of life,” which triumphs finally in the conclusion to Gods plan for this universe:

  1. there shall be no more death” (Rev 21:4)

  2. river of water of life” (Rev 22:1)

  3. the tree of life” (Rev 22:2,14)

  4. book of life” (Rev 21:27, 22:19)

The evidence of the operation of “the Law of the Spirit of life” in my life is the manifestation of “righteousness” (8:4).

We can discern down through the pages of scripture an extraordinary, supernatural standard of righteousness:

Though these three men, Noah, Daniel, and Job, were in it, they should deliver but their own souls by their righteousness, saith the Lord GOD.” (Eze 14:14)

Though Noah, Daniel, and Job, were in it, as I live, saith the Lord GOD, they shall deliver neither son nor daughter; they shall but deliver their own souls by their righteousness.” (Eze 14:20)

These standards of righteousness were extraordinary if not infrequent!

After 1000's of years of human history Ezekiel comes up with only 3 righteous men!

But how do we explain them?

Men do not naturally tend to extraordinary righteousness?

How do we explain:

  1. Daniel – who choses the lions den rather that miss his time of prayer?

  2. Noah – unique and swimming against the moral tide of a whole world?

  3. Job – who refuses to “curse God and die” but holds onto the God who seems to have let him down?

Is it:

  1. madness

  2. mistake

  3. motive?

Surely not madness nor mistake?

There is too much consistent for it to be purely aberrant or mad!

There is a consistent:

  1. Theology – one God, the sinfulness of man, the righteousness of God, God as Creator, God as redeemer.

  2. Soterology - “I know that my redeemer liveth...” (Job)

  3. Eschatology – Daniels prophesies of future events harmonises with Revelation and other scriptures.

The law of Moses agrees with the values and standards of Daniel and Job and Noah.

The prophecies of Daniel are in harmony with the prophesy of Revelation.

The Messianic predictions of Daniel and Job are consistent with NT revelation in Christ.

This consistency precludes mere madness or mistake as the reason.

We appear to have in scripture a transcendent, coherent and consistent moral standard of righteousness according to which some men have always lived their life, but the question is why?

Illust: Salmon, swim the wrong way: against the tide, against the current and up the water fall! Why? Are they mad? Is it a mistake? Driven by an inbuilt instinct, to the smell, the taste and place of their birth, they are drawn by inward compulsion to that place they know as home! There is a reason for this drive!

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Romans Chp 8 Vs 1 to 4 : 'The Spirit Conquered Walk'

Posted in by JS Gillespie |

The work of the Spirit of God affects man in his:


  1. Walk (8:1-4)

  2. Mind (8:5-8)

  3. Body (8:9-13)

  4. Spirit (8:14-17)


Chp 8 is all about the work of the Spirit of God in me:


  1. fulfilled in us” (8:4)

  2. dwell in you” (8:9)

  3. Christ be in you” (8:10)

  4. dwell in you” (8:11)

  5. glory revealed in us” (8:18)


Gods work in us is greater than Gods work through us

Gods work through us: 1 Co12,14 – Spiritual Gifts

Gods work in us: 1 Co 13:1ff.

As Gods Spirit is active in man we will discern:


  1. Law of the Spirit (8:2)

  2. Longing of the Spirit (8:5-8)

  3. Life of the Spirit (8:11,13)

  4. Leading of the Spirit (8:14)

  5. Language of the Spirit (8:15)












  1. Walk (8:1-4)


There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus...”


An apt summary of the whole of the Bible!


  1. Condemnation: the theme of the law and the prophets

  2. Salvation in Christ Jesus: the theme of Christ and the apostles

The Bible begins with the complete condemnation of humanity.

Every part of man:


  1. Mans thoughts (Gen6:5)

  2. Mans actions (Ex 20)

  3. Mans worship (Ex 20)

  4. Mans heart (Jer 17:9; Ps 51:10)


Every kind of man:


  1. King on the throne (Ps 51)

  2. Prophets (Jer14:14; 23:14; 23:25,26; Ezek 22:28; Isa 6:5)

  3. Priests: Hophni and Phinehas, Eli (Hos4:6; 4:9)


The Bible – not the kind of book a man would write, and not the kind of book a man could write!

This is not one elite group within Jewish society condemning the rest!

This is not the prophets / the priests drumming up business for themselves!

This is an all embracive, supernatural condemnation of the whole of humanity as measured beside a transcendent standard of absolute holiness to which no one measured up.








This is a warts and all picture of the very heroes of the people who preserved these scriptures:


  1. The royal line comes through Rahab the harlot and an incestuous relationship between Judah and Tamar.

  2. Israels first High Priest built a golden calf and committed idolatry

  3. Israels wisest king: Solomon compromised right the way down the line with pagan gods.

  4. The forefathers of this nation are described in the most terrible of language and guilty of the grossest sins in the writings of Jeremiah, Isaiah and Ezekiel, sins such as child sacrifice, witchcraft and idol worship.

Why such complete condemnation of the whole of humanity?

Because it is an accurate picture of where we are before God!

That we might see our need of the person and work of Christ.

To tone down the total condemnation of humanity in the bible least we offend or upset is doing noon any kindness if we deceive men into believing that their plight is any less serious than it is.


...who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.” (Rom 8:1)


Is it not sufficient to say that:


There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus...”

Why add “...who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.” ?

In case we see salvation as a method, a past event, something we have done and got!

Salvation is a living relationship with a Living God who indwells His creature!

What is the effect of the Spirit upon my walk?

I say that this is a Spirit conquered walk, marked by:


righteousness (v4)

Righteousness fulfilled by:


  1. Compulsion from within (8:2): “the law of the Spirit of life” (7:21,23)

and not by:

  1. Conformity without (8:3)

The Spirit conquered and controlled walk is not a walk brought into conformity to a set of rules, regulations, traditions, formalities or patterns of behaviour, it is rather the working out of the all consuming passion for Divine life brought about by the possession of my person by God Himself.

It is not so much that I try to live a righteous life, although the will is clearly involved, but rather I have to, I am compelled to live a righteous life, or I have a thoroughly miserable existence!

Conformity to a set of rules can paradoxically result in less rather than more spirituality!

Rules can:


  1. Replace the Spirit – well I've got my rules, follow them and I will be ok!

  2. Resist the Spirit – human nature likes rules, you can work around the rules! Illust: Margos flat mate, didn't read Sunday papers but kept them till the Monday!

  3. Restrict the Spirit – rules are always inadequate and will never allow us to break new ground for God! New people, new places, new problems – the old rules sometimes can't cope! Gods Spirit can! Columbus didn't discover America by following the map! There wasn't one!


Christopher Columbus: "...It was the Lord who put into my mind — I could feel His hand upon me — the fact that it would be possible to sail from here to the Indies-All who heard of my project rejected it with laughter, ridiculing me... There is no question that the inspiration was from the Holy Spirit, because he comforted me with rays of marvellous illumination from the Holy Scriptures... For the execution of the journey to the Indies I did not make use of intelligence, mathematics, or maps. It is simply the fulfilment of what Isaiah had prophesied... No one should fear to undertake any task in the name of our Saviour, if it is just and if the intention is purely for His Holy service... the fact that the Gospel must still be preached to so many lands in such a short time — this is what convinces me".







the law of the Spirit of life

What was it that:


  1. Compelled creation to completion? Gen1:2 – The Spirit of God; Gen 2:7 – the breath of God blowing into the nostrils of Adam.

  2. How did Enoch's walk with God end? It didn't A walk with God is a life giving, a life preserving, a life perpetuating experience. Walk with God and you live (Gen 5:24). “By faith Enoch was translated that he should not se death...” (Heb11:5)

  3. How was it that God dealt with Noah and his family in the days when He had decided that His Spirit would not always “strive with man” (Gen6:3)? God covenanted “to keep them alive with thee” (Gen6:19).

  4. What about Gods dealings with Abraham and Isaac in Gen 22? Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure.”(Heb 11:19).

  5. How did God move in the days of Joseph and his brothers? “To save much people alive” (Gen50:20)

  6. How did God work with His people in the days of Moses in Egypt?

  7. How did God work in the days of Jonah? (Jonah 4:11)

  8. What about Daniel in the lions den? “O King live forever” (Dan6:21)

  9. The crowning Glory to Gods Spirit of Life: the resurrection of Christ!

To be linked with God and His Spirit is a life giving event, a life preserving experience!

Gods Spirit is the Spirit of Life!





In many of these occasions when the “law of the Spirit of life” moves we can also discern His operation against the background failure of the “law of sin and death”:


  1. Noah – breaks free, lifted above a world condemned in sin

  2. Egypt – God judges and destroys Egypt and its false gods

  3. Jonah – 3 days and nights in the belly of the whale because of his sin and disobedience.



To be motivated by the “law of the Spirit of life” is to be motivated and moved by an all consuming passion for the Glory of God in my life beyond any other legitimate interest!

What was it that motivated:


  1. Shadrach, Meshach and Abednigo to choose the furnace rather than compromise?

  2. Daniel to chose being at the prayer meeting even if it meant facing the lions in the den?

  3. Elijah to risk his life and face the false priests of Baal on Mt Carmel?

  4. Elisha to leave his farm, his field and his family behind and follow Gods call?


This law of the Spirit of Life motivates men beyond personal safety, personal convenience, fatigue, tiredness, embarrassment and business!

This is an all consuming passion for the life of God above and beyond all things!

Why bother fulfilling righteousness in me?

Never be content with ½ answers from preachers!

Because righteousness overcomes a barrier:

For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.” (Rom 8:6-7)

The flesh pursuing sin brings separation and enmity with God

The Spirit producing righteousness brings relationship with God

How does Christ condemning “sin in the flesh” (8:3) result in the fulfilment of Gods righteousness in me (8:4)? Because we have His Spirit in us (8:4,9-11).





An exceptional movement of the Spirit of God is invariably marked by an exceptional righteousness:


  1. Isaiah 6:5

  2. Ex 20: Moses on the Mount

  3. Job 42:6 – God speaks: “I repent in dust and ashes”

  4. Zech 3: Joshua the High Priest

  5. Matt 5: The Sermon on the Mount

  6. Acts 5: Ananias and Saphira
























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